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16:03 < Fergal_ripencc> Filiz Yilmaz from the RIPE Meeting Programme Committee is introducing the session.
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16:04 < Fergal_ripencc> The first presentation is "Would ?Kafka Write? About ?Google? and Clouds??" by Gorazd? Bo?i?,? ARNES,? SI-CERT
16:06 < Fergal_ripencc> The first presentation is "Would ?Kafka Write? About ?Google? and Clouds?" by? Gorazd? Bo?i?,? ARNES,? SI-CERT.
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16:08 < louflynn> Hi Fergal, Louise from APNIC here. Good Luck with the meeting!
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16:09 < Fergal_ripencc> Thanks Louise! Hope you enjoy from afar.
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16:11 < kralian_dk-denet> is this camera angle on purpose ?
16:11 < kralian_dk-denet> can only see the speaker, not the presentation
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16:12 < kralian_dk-denet> ah, thanks ;)
16:13 < menno> ;)
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16:16 < ivan_bev> presentation doesn't appear to be online (for following by remote participants) - is that correct?
16:17 < menno> indeed, presenter gave the presentation to the tech support guys on a usb stick I think
16:17 < ivan_bev> kthx. hopefully it'll be updated in time
16:17 * kralian_dk-denet giggles
16:18 < kralian_dk-denet> brilliant talk :)
16:18 < ivan_bev> It's rather concerning and quite telling that copyright trumps national security!
16:19 < AlisonW> He seems to be suggetsing that Google/YouTube are more afraid of civil action than of state action. /me mutters something about crazy americans ;-P
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16:19 < AlisonW> presumably because civil enforcement would affect their cash reserves whereas state annoyance doesn't concern them
16:19 < will-h> AlisonW: not sure DMCA is civil enforcement
16:20 < AlisonW> imho it is treated as such - copyright is civil in reality even if some states overplay it because of music/film industry pressure
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16:21 < Fergal_ripencc> If you have a question, please let me know now.
16:21 < boggits> Q. DId you follow up with Google direct?
16:22 * boggits hates lag
16:22 < Fergal_ripencc> Sorry Boggits.
16:22 * boggits reloads stream to see if he can get closer to real time
16:23 < Fergal_ripencc> The next presentation is "Abuse at Scale" by Mike Hearne of Google.
16:23 < tm-34670> boggits: try using mplayer and specify a small -cache ?
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16:23 * AlisonW adds a copyright symbol to every use of the word "spam" ;-p
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16:25 < ripe967> Please speak slow
16:25 < ripe967> is too fast and understable
16:27 < AlisonW> if you have web page up you will see a matching text stream
16:28 < ripe967> I can't reed for me is to fast, I can red just for read but I want understand what the guy say
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16:33 < AlisonW> one very good reason why once a capcha has been used you immediately make it used / unavailable!
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16:45 < ripe037> Is it possible to ask question here? For the presenters?
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16:46 < Fergal_ripencc> @ripe037. Sure. When he asks for questions I can go up and ask for you. You just need to let me know your question, your name and affiliation.
16:47 < Fergal_ripencc> He's said "Finally"... so if you have a question please ask now.
16:47 < ripe037> Thank you very mcuh. My name is Mile, from LJubljana.
16:47 < ripe037> QUESTION: Right now there's a lot of talk about ransomcrypt trojan here in Slovenia. I noticed that ransomer uses a gmail account - it is cleraly visible in trojan's ransom demand file. What does Gmail team do in this case? Will this gmail account be desabled? Is it already disabled?
16:47 < Fergal_ripencc> Who is this?
16:48 < ripe037> I'm following the stream.
16:48 < will-h> ripe037: i think he just wants to know your name
16:48 < ripe037> Name is Mile.
16:49 < Fergal_ripencc> Thanks.
16:49 < ripe037> thank you.
16:53 < AlisonW> there doesn't appear to be a need to identify _which_ phone number with _which_ account though - so google appear to be storing data without a need. Correct?
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16:54 < Fergal_ripencc> Should I ask that Alison?
16:54 < BSS27-RIPE> AlisonW: you tie your phonenumber to your "Google Identity"
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16:54 < Fergal_ripencc> Or is it a comment for here?
16:54 < Bernd_Marienfeldt> Thanks for the question Malcolm :-)
16:55 < Fergal_ripencc> Mike has finished now.
16:56 < AlisonW> was a Q, but never mind (i tweeted it now ;-P )
16:56 < Fergal_ripencc> Next up is the special RIPE NCC: 20 Years Serving the RIPE Community
16:56 < AlisonW> BSS27-RIPE: thankfully Google do not have any phone numbers associated with my gmail / google accounts
16:57 < boggits> yet....
16:57 < Fergal_ripencc> The three speakers will be Daniel Karrenberg, Nigel Titley and Geoff Huston. Axel Pawlik, the RIPE NCC Managing Director, is the moderator.
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16:58 < AlisonW> my data (numbers, etc) are all entirely public - I'm firm believer in open knowledge - just not in systems where it doesn't _need_ to be
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16:58 < Fergal_ripencc> Daniel Karrenberg has started his presentation 20 Years of the RIPE NCC. 1992 to the present
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16:59 < lochii> who is in the picture?
17:00 < lochii> (of the four people)
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17:03 < jcurran>
17:03 < Fergal_ripencc> Hmm. Will check for you lochii.
17:03 < lochii> Fergal_ripencc: thanks
17:03 < shane> Clearly Daniel at the back.
17:03 < lochii> yes
17:03 < shane> I think it's Anne Lords in the front.
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17:05 < Fergal_ripencc> Correct Shane.
17:05 < Fergal_ripencc> Marten Terpstra on the left.
17:06 < Fergal_ripencc> And Tony Bates on the right.
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17:06 < lochii> do we have any pictures of young rob?
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17:07 < Fergal_ripencc> Don't ask me to list everyone there now ;)
17:07 < lochii> heh
17:13 < pawal> olaf coke man :)
17:13 < will-h> haha
17:13 < Einar_SE> epic ;)
17:14 * AlisonW applauds
17:14 < jcurran>
17:14 < rvs> :)
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17:14 < jcurran> a truly great staff... likely the 2nd best of the all ;-)
17:15 < Fergal_ripencc> Chairman of the Executive Board of the RIPE NCC, Nigel Titley, is next up with 20 Years of the RIPE NCC. So where are we today?
17:15 < louflynn> Entirely true but for a totally different reason John.
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17:19 < jcurran> :-)
17:20 < shane> "legacy address space" - he means IPv4 addresses right?
17:20 < shane> ;)
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17:21 < masterF00> IPv4? What was that again? Can't remember ... so must be legacy
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17:23 < Bernd_Marienfeldt> To clarify 2012 ;-)
17:24 < AlisonW> My main site servers are all native IPv6 connected and responding, but just realised second site has IPv6 connect but websites aren't using it! (sorting this now - that advantage of online attendance)
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17:25 < shane> Hm... getting a bit off-topic for a RIPE meeting. I'm not a member.
17:26 < shane> Not a RIPE NCC member, I mean.
17:26 < will-h> the presentaiton is '20 years of the RIPE NCC'
17:26 < shane> Yes, understood, but this section is 'by the members, for the members'.
17:26 < shane> We have time on Wednesday to talk to the members, right?
17:27 < shane> From 16:00 onwards.
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17:27 < will-h> if you're bored you could just catch up on email or something ;-) or there's still coffee outside ;-)
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17:30 < jcurran>
17:30 < Fergal_ripencc> And finally, APNIC's Chief Scientist Geoff Huston is about to look at what the future might hold for the RIPE NCC.
17:31 < shane> Inhale? No, never inhale!
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17:33 < AlisonW> the first computer I used had valves (vacuum tubes) in ;-0
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17:33 < louflynn> Download these slides - they are a hoot!
17:36 < AlisonW> "No need for new content"? Now that *is* frightening!
17:36 < shane> Meaning we don't special mobile content. The current stuff is just fine, thanks.
17:37 < keith-1280> cheap because its made in Chinese sweatshop...
17:38 * AlisonW will never buy something from Apple. But I seem to be weird like that
17:38 < keith-1280> +1
17:38 < shane> +1
17:38 < will-h> why? the laptops are quite good
17:38 < will-h> i dont like the telephones
17:39 < AlisonW> too walled-system and closed to new opportunities. I don't like gatekeepers who want me to do things *their* way not the way *I* want
17:39 < will-h> you can put any OS on it
17:40 < AlisonW> ahuh. keep telling yourself that ;-P #inherentlimitsinhardware
17:40 < will-h> the bootloader isnt locked, afaik apple are not doing this unlike some of the other manufs
17:40 < AlisonW> rofl "We're professionals - we don't plan ahead"
17:41 < shane> So, APNIC has had no addresses for a year now. What happens when the wall is hit?
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17:42 < AlisonW> The IPv4 -> IPv6 issue about investment is reflected in many other things. Think about your keyboard layout!
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17:44 < ripe433> Remote audio and video work great!
17:44 < Bernd_Marienfeldt> #Ask Apple for V6
17:44 < AlisonW> or VHS -v- betamax video tapes
17:44 < shane> Geoff finds is surprising that people cannot predict the future.
17:44 < shane> Hm...
17:44 < shane> s/is/it/
17:45 * AlisonW used arpanet in 1970s
17:45 < tm-34670> it's odd they removed ipv6 from the latest airport utility
17:45 < AlisonW> they did? shortsighted decision ...
17:46 < will-h> airport utility, now there is an example of truly dreadful stuff
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17:47 < AlisonW> Not sure I want my servers connected by anything other than fibre / copper, certainly not radio freq
17:47 < shane> But there's gigabit wireless on the way!
17:48 < AlisonW> yes, but within my servers I don't want to make it easier for someone to hack or hijack
17:48 < keith-1280> wireless bandwidth has scaled much faster than fibre over the past 5 years, I'll be surpirsed this can continue
17:48 < AlisonW> and gig wireless is way too limiting for a server farm wanting a link to peering centre / backbone
17:49 < AlisonW> but for *users* yes
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17:49 < shane> The chart seems to indicate that adoption rates are more-or-less constant.
17:50 < Bernd_Marienfeldt> Let's wait until refrigirators become your customers :-)
17:51 < keith-1280> a truly chilling thought :-)
17:51 < AlisonW> IP-enabled fridges can place online orders from supermarkets ...
17:51 < AlisonW> when the recognise contents are low
17:51 < AlisonW> sp /the/they/
17:51 < shane> Alison - I heard that story 10 years ago. I eagerly await my IP refrigerator.
17:52 < AlisonW> yeah, quite. But they are around (allegedly!)
17:52 < lochii> IPv6 refrigerator :)
17:52 < Bernd_Marienfeldt> lol
17:52 < AlisonW> lochii: better!
17:52 < RobL> "order this food and then just waste it for me automatically..."
17:52 < shane> I guess when the stores all embed RFID in everything it may make sense.
17:53 < AlisonW> shane: actually it is when *manugfacturers* do that. iirc Gilette has started doing so on some product lines
17:53 < Bernd_Marienfeldt> RFIDIDIOT would loveit, even v6
17:53 < AlisonW> erm. "twps - every home has one" is a very first-world biased statement
17:54 < AlisonW> taps, obv.
17:54 < jcurran>
17:54 < AlisonW> nice presentation ;-P
17:54 < Fergal_ripencc> That's all. See you back here tomorrow.
17:54 < shane> Geoff gives good preso.
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17:55 < Einar_SE> Yeah that pres was awesome :)
17:55 < AlisonW> someone mention beer? .... hmmn ....