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15:55 < denis_ripencc> Hello. Welcome to the final Plenary session for Tuesday, my name is Denis from the RIPE NCC,I will be monitoring chat during this session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out for you. Please make your questions as clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation. Please note that all chat transcripts will be archived and made available to the public on
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16:02 < denis_ripencc> The plenary session is now starting
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16:03 < denis_ripencc> Sandra Brown is now talking on IPv4 Transaction Process
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16:10 < ripe228> hi
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16:10 < denis_ripencc> Sandra Brown has asked for questions
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16:15 < shane> I kind of like the APNIC system. It preserves the "need-based" nature of allocations.
16:17 < shane> Also interesting how ARIN already has a market even though they have tons of space left, and RIPE does not even though we're almost done.
16:17 < masterF00> *nod*
16:17 < shane> :-P
16:17 < masterF00> fits my comments on 2012-01
16:17 < shane> Hey that question is appropriate. :-P
16:17 < masterF00> ARIN is always different :)
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16:20 < shane> If only there was some alternate numbering system for the Internet we could use.
16:20 < shane> A new version of IP, if you will.
16:20 < denis_ripencc> this presentation has finished
16:20 < Kralian_dk-denet> shane: that's just a silly thought :)
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16:20 < denis_ripencc> Matjaž Straus Istenič has begun the presentation Poor Man’s DoS Protection
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16:25 < denis_ripencc> Matjaž Straus Istenič has asked for questions
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16:28 < denis_ripencc> this presentation has finished
16:29 < denis_ripencc> David Temkin, Netflix has begun the presentation Netflix Content Delivery in Europe ‐ Performance of UK/Irish ISPs
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16:39 < denis_ripencc> David asked for questions
16:40 < denis_ripencc> this presentation has ended
16:40 < denis_ripencc> Edward Lewis, Neustar, Inc has begun the presentation Looking at TLD DNSSEC Practices
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16:53 < matje> I believe the recommendation in rfc5155 is change the salt during a resign, not at *every resign*
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16:56 < denis_ripencc> matje@ do you want me to make that comment for you?
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16:57 < denis_ripencc> edward has asked for questions
16:57 < matje> nah, thanks
16:57 < denis_ripencc> ok
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16:58 < denis_ripencc> this presentation has finished
16:59 < denis_ripencc> Andy Davidson will Chair a Plenary Discussion Regarding French Governmental Transnational Regulation of Peering
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17:02 < rvs> audio sounds strange, this is a skype call ?
17:02 < bnisbet> It is.
17:02 < rvs> ok
17:02 < denis_ripencc> we are having some technical difficulties with the remote participants
17:03 < BertWijnen> difficult to hear the speaker.
17:03 < thinker> ehm, anybody can understand pascal?
17:03 < boggits> no
17:03 < masterF00> Like always in such situations, it never works, no worries that's just normal :)
17:03 < BertWijnen> seems also that someone is typing on a keyboard while unmuted
17:03 < Kralian_dk-denet> thinker: the language yes, the speaker no
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17:04 < Bernd_Marienfeldt> should get his son of playing XBOX in the background, scnr
17:04 < rvs> always problems with skype calls joining conferences :( rather have nothing than broken up sound
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17:04 < nick-LJU> aoife, the stenographer, is probably going mental
17:04 < thinker> it seems the scribe can get him better than me
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17:06 < thomas-30740> I can see the transcript before the audio reaches me .. that's some skills :)
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17:06 < denis_ripencc> the stenographers are pretty good
17:06 < thinker> yeah they are
17:06 < nick-LJU> they're awesome
17:07 < Djinh> more than pretty good, I think :)
17:07 < casper__> excellent job, really impressed by how well they pick up the jargon
17:07 < denis_ripencc> OK...excellant
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17:08 < rvs> indeed, stenographers do an amazing job from the very first start
17:09 < rvs> also, compared with other skype calls during RIPE meetings, this is a viable attempt
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17:10 < thomas-30740> LOL
17:10 < dreamer> I hope no Skype reps are in the audience
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17:10 < eric-AS1200> … you have reached the voice mail of ....
17:10 < boggits> chaos.....
17:11 < thinker> why not a regular phone call?
17:11 < boggits> will someone please answer the phone.....
17:11 < nick-LJU> hard to connect that to a computer
17:11 < dreamer> because we're packet pushers
17:11 < rvs> it is not a ITU conf right ?
17:11 < jaxx> omg... too bad because there is a point of concern in .fr
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17:12 < denis_ripencc> Malcolm Hutty is now speaking
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17:13 < thinker> nick: no need to connect a regular phone call to a computer, after all :)
17:13 < Bernd_Marienfeldt> To clarify remote participation sound and video is ok now. Thanks a lot !
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17:14 < masterF00> oh yes, there is, there is no POTS anymore soon, so you have to connect your phone to your "computer/router" :) ... but that's offtopic now. Skype always causes problems on congested conference networks, i guess that's not different today
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17:14 < eric-AS1200> add to wishlist: sip.ripe.net
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17:16 < gyust> what ppp is this ?
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17:19 < denis_ripencc> gyust: what do you mean by ppp ?
17:19 < gyust> https://ripe64.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/plenary/#tues4
17:19 < gyust> there are some powerpoint ... which one is this presentation ?
17:19 < Kralian_dk-denet> gyust: Malcolm Hutty
17:20 < denis_ripencc> It is the plenary discussion
17:20 < gyust> ok thanks
17:20 < Bernd_Marienfeldt> Pascals son stopped playing XBOX :-)
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17:20 < jaxx> héhé :)
17:22 < eric-AS1200> hé :)
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17:24 < dreamer> upgraded to the premium plan?
17:24 < denis_ripencc> Pascal is now talking remotely
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17:24 < gyust> oh ya un francais qui parle là ;)
17:25 < ripe411> hello
17:25 < jaxx> gyust: with an accent like that, yeah !
17:25 < Kralian_dk-denet> so if he's talking from france, do we all now have to fill out forms?
17:25 < thomas-30740> Yes
17:25 < thomas-30740> You see I speak clearly when I do ...
17:25 < thomas-30740> Now that you have other French speakers to compare to :p
17:26 < boggits> at least they are slow....
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17:26 < gyust> it is not quite understandable ...
17:26 < denis_ripencc> Raphael is now talking remotely
17:26 < jaxx> hmm, bad audio + french accent... makes it hard to understand! (not blaming, just a fact rare french have a good accent)
17:27 < gyust> that is better
17:27 < jaxx> oh Raph !
17:27 < jaxx> met his brother, cool guy!
17:27 < fgabut> fucking blue sky behind him ;)
17:27 < gyust> lol fgabut
17:28 < dreamer> stenographer is earning every penny right now
17:28 < jaxx> :)
17:28 < gyust> we don't have that in Paris ;)
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17:28 < jaxx> gyust: sunny here in toulouse
17:29 < thinker> somwhere children playing in the park
17:29 < denis_ripencc> Andy is asking for questions
17:29 < jaxx> Randy rock it !
17:29 < gyust> yeah jaxx don't push me ;)
17:29 < jaxx> lol Randy :) We invented Bureaucracy !
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17:33 < eric-AS1200> I think we could point the ARCEP people to peeringdb.com … get the data yourself ..
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17:34 < thomas-30740> Peeringdb does not contain all peering and no financial information which is one of important data from a reg. pov
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17:37 < eric-AS1200> Well, pricing scheme of every neutral IX is publicly available
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17:39 < gyust> no clearly I m unable to understand...
17:39 < eric-AS1200> Next step they might ask IX-es to send them a copy of members contract ?
17:40 < will-h> eric-AS1200: this isn't an IX thing
17:40 < will-h> IX is not relevant
17:41 < thomas-30740> Very good point Randy
17:41 < jaxx> i'm pissed off by Arcep, which seemed to be safely progressive until now... It's hiding a governmental maneuver for sure, a last kick from the soon gone gov
17:41 < jaxx> (nice typo on transcript)
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17:42 < gyust> Randy was good
17:42 < jaxx> yeah
17:43 < gyust> What I see is ARCEP representatives are not there to speak clearly about what they expect from others operators....
17:43 < thomas-30740> :D
17:43 < thomas-30740> :D
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17:44 < gyust> I just cannot understand them with this bad audio quality...
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17:44 < jaxx> gyust: yeah... I bet they're gonna let the situation cripple and blow, getting their hands on everything and tax each single bit
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17:45 < masterF00> i must admit, i don't see the point of all this, neither the first time i read about it, nor today *shrug*
17:46 < jbond_RIPENCC> gyust: i would recommend reading the stena feed as they seem to be getting a lot of the relevent details
17:46 < jaxx> trust me: it's not for metrics and stats, they have something in mind
17:46 < antonio-AS6762> sure
17:46 < thomas-30740> I am not here :p
17:47 < denis_ripencc> applause for the stenographers
17:47 < BSS27-RIPE> deserved
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17:47 < Bernd_Marienfeldt> This was Malcolms invitation on a good red bordeaux in London
17:47 < eric-AS1200> (Applause)
17:47 < jaxx> yup ! depsite the "an*l" that slipped through, nice job!
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17:48 < denis_ripencc> this session has now finished