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11:02 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Hello. Welcome to the EIX WG Session at 11:00. My name is Susannah and I work at the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring chat during this session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out for you. Please make your questions as clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation. Please note that all chat transcripts will be archived and made available to the public
11:02 < Susannah_RIPENCC> on https://ripe64.ripe.net/
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11:04 < Pels> I'm not getting any sound on the stream here
11:04 < Susannah_RIPENCC> looking into it...
11:04 < Pels> ah, there we go
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11:04 < Susannah_RIPENCC> :)
11:05 < Pels> thanks!
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11:05 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Remco van Mook has started his presentation
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11:16 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Any questions for Remco>
11:16 < Susannah_RIPENCC> ?
11:17 < BSS27-RIPE> funny numbers though ;-)
11:17 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Next up is Arnold Nipper with Interconnecting ISPs
11:18 < Susannah_RIPENCC> @BSS27-RIPE yep!
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11:20 < lochii> settlement free?
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11:20 < lochii> that isn't mandated in this model
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11:21 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Lochii, should I read this comment out when Arnold asks for questions?
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11:30 < lochii> Susannah_RIPENCC: I can stand up and ask it
11:31 < lochii> was just trying to solicit input from the channel
11:31 < Susannah_RIPENCC> @lochii ah! Ok, I thought you were a remote participant ;)
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11:31 < lochii> no, I'm just lazy :)
11:31 < Susannah_RIPENCC> haha
11:32 < ivan_bev> linking IXes - that sounds rather like when packetexchange and xchangepoint connected ~7 years ago.
11:32 < MaksymTulyuk> Question about Page 11: presenter mentioned that Interconnect can be made via VPLS or VLAN technologies. What RFC or standard does describe VPLS interconnections?
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11:34 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Maksym, I'll read this out for you when Arnold asks for questions
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11:35 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Is your handle your name?
11:35 < lochii> MaksymTulyuk: RFC4761/2
11:36 < lochii> I dont think that interconnections with VPLS need to be standardised and more than interconnections with VLAN
11:37 < MaksymTulyuk> thanks, Susanna!
11:37 < Susannah_RIPENCC> did Lochii answer your question or would you stll like me to read it out
11:37 < MaksymTulyuk> no
11:37 < MaksymTulyuk> I'd like to hear answer from presenter
11:37 < Susannah_RIPENCC> no he didn't answer it?
11:37 < Susannah_RIPENCC> ok
11:37 < Susannah_RIPENCC> I'm on it!
11:37 < MaksymTulyuk> RFC4762 is related to BGP based VPLS
11:37 < lochii> yes
11:37 < lochii> er
11:37 < lochii> 4761
11:37 < lochii> you mean
11:37 < MaksymTulyuk> supports Juniper and Huawei only
11:38 < lochii> 4762 is LDP
11:38 < MaksymTulyuk> Cisco Alcatel and Brocade doesn't support RFC 4762
11:38 < MaksymTulyuk> because they use LDP base VPLS
11:38 < Pels> Brocade implements 4762
11:38 < lochii> well, 4761 is "kompella" isn't it
11:38 < lochii> but nobody would assume you do this type of interconnect between peers
11:39 < lochii> it would just be vlans from your perspective
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11:40 < lochii> hope that makes sense
11:40 < BSS27-RIPE> did to me
11:40 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Arnold has finished his presentation
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11:40 < ivan_bev> so "pseudowire" would be more accurate then?
11:41 < lochii> well, no, its all hidden from the customer
11:41 < lochii> customer just sees a "port" or "vlan"
11:41 < lochii> that's all
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11:41 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Kurtis from Netnod
11:41 < lochii> nobody plans on changing that
11:41 < Susannah_RIPENCC> is up next
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11:43 < ivan_bev> For info, the PDF of this preso that was uploaded appears corrupt (13KB only)
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11:44 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Ivan, I mention to the web team
11:44 < NeilM> its a brave man who transcripts Kurt lol
11:44 < NeilM> or atleast a fast typer
11:44 < remco> he's a tough act to follow
11:45 < Susannah_RIPENCC> It's a brave lady ;)
11:45 < NeilM> I didn't want to presume :)
11:45 < ivan_bev> Susannah_RIPENCC: likewise the zip-file. thx
11:45 < Susannah_RIPENCC> and she's been transcribing him for a few years now so is an expert in Kurtisms!
11:45 < remco> she can type faster than kurtis can talk
11:45 < remco> and that has to be some sort of world record
11:45 < Susannah_RIPENCC> and that's fast...
11:46 < NeilM> what was his point about UK traffic?
11:46 < ivan_bev> it's like 'going to te gym' .. for stenographers :)
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11:46 < ivan_bev> NeilM: it's not on the pic because he didn't have stats
11:46 < NeilM> is the presentation available?
11:46 < ivan_bev> see above :(
11:47 < NeilM> the transciprt isn/t so useful as the minute stuff adds it jumps down
11:47 < Lysis> ivan_bev: works for me now
11:47 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Hi all, please make it clear if you want me to ask your question or whether you're just chatting in the room....
11:47 < Lysis> 800 kb
11:47 < Susannah_RIPENCC> The web team is looking into the issue with the presentation
11:47 < NeilM> whats the URL for the presentation?
11:47 < BSS27-RIPE> https://ripe64.ripe.net/presentations/152-history_of_peering_and_learning_for_future.pdf
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11:47 < NeilM> ta
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11:48 < BSS27-RIPE> nps
11:48 < menno> ivan_bev: the keynote presentation has some errors due to a bug in keynote (that's what kurtis mentioned) so that might be the reason conversion went wrong.
11:48 < NeilM> the regulators are coming to peering and there is nothing we can do about it. Thats my prediction
11:48 < BSS27-RIPE> run away screeming ?
11:49 < NeilM> start wearing a tie more often maybe
11:49 < NeilM> I don't think Kurtis reflection of the academic side is currrect though
11:49 < NeilM> peering with Janet and DFN in the early days was incredibly difficult
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11:55 < NeilM> Hi Eric.
11:56 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Are people still having problems with Kurtis' presentation?
11:56 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Questions for Kurtis?
11:57 < NeilM> the PDF is fine here.
11:57 < boggits> Q.
11:57 < boggits> What if all these regional ones interconnect?
11:57 < boggits> Thats for Kurtis
11:57 < ivan_bev> great - thanks menno
11:57 < boggits> I give up :(
11:57 < Susannah_RIPENCC> ah, the questions are closed, hold I'll try to grab him...
11:58 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Kurtis is going to log in and and answer you Boggits
11:58 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Martin Levy is talking
11:58 < boggits> :) It was meant to be public and referenced the previous presentation too
11:58 < NeilM> i;'ve seen this preso 3 times now :D
11:58 < boggits> but its mahtin....
11:59 < RobL-LON_> heh.
11:59 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Boggits, these transcripts are made available to the public too
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12:03 < kurtis> Boggits: Well, I don't believe in interconnecting IXes :)
12:03 < boggits> yeah I know, I wanted more discussion than that.... :)
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12:05 < kurtis> I was a bit disappointed there was no comments
12:05 < kurtis> I thought I would get yelled at...
12:06 < boggits> only thing to shout was not mentioning LINX expansion to Manchester and support Leeds (unless you did when I had to mute for a quick phone call)
12:07 < NeilM> i made comments here kurtis
12:08 < NeilM> 1: i don't think it was so easy to get interconnected to academic networks
12:08 < NeilM> 2: I agree that more regional peering is one path forward, but concerned that the cost of router interfaces might be a barrier
12:09 < NeilM> on 1: janet and DFN made it quite difficult to start with
12:09 < NeilM> great presentation though
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12:09 < Kralian_dk-denet> I think kurtis' view might be coloured by him being from scandinavia
12:10 < Kralian_dk-denet> doing something, at least from NREN to NREN, in scandinavia is still quite painless and has been so for years
12:11 < NeilM> kralian: agreed nordunet was very open to interconnection
12:11 < NeilM> if i remember correctly sunet was also.
12:12 < NeilM> but it got easier for sure
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12:12 < kurtis> Actually, the story of the academic interconnectes came from UK
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12:13 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Questions for Martin?
12:13 < NeilM> really?!
12:13 < Kralian_dk-denet> kurtis: so thats internetconnects inside JANET ?
12:13 < NeilM> there was no such thing
12:14 < NeilM> janet interconnect was a major issue for us, nearly bankrupted us in US transatlantic costs
12:14 < kurtis> So in teh history of peering, some of the examples quoted to me was that funding in all of Europe shifted from being given to the NRENs to the Univiseristies
12:14 < kurtis> which created the first commercial market
12:14 < kurtis> but also created the requirements to interconnect
12:14 < kurtis> I have heard the same comments from both Germany and UK
12:15 < kurtis> But as for local peering, I think that port costs are cheper over time than backhaul and large interfaces with redundancy
12:15 < MaksymTulyuk> Question: who must migrate in "flag day" : IX OR IX and customers?
12:16 < kurtis> both
12:16 < NeilM> yup
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12:17 < MaksymTulyuk> so, IX and few hundred customers have to migrate in the same day???
12:17 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Do you want me to ask martin?
12:17 < Susannah_RIPENCC> I'm at the mic
12:17 < MaksymTulyuk> yes please ask Martin
12:18 < Susannah_RIPENCC> k
12:18 < NeilM> kurtis: I don't think so but we need to see what happens with 100G interfaces
12:19 < Susannah_RIPENCC> voila!
12:19 < kurtis> well, if I go look at Gregs crystal price ball, I think that will be a while
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12:20 < NeilM> i don't believe a word brocade say
12:22 * lochii read that as "I don't believe in a world brocade day"
12:22 < NeilM> i don't believe that either lol
12:22 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Harald Michl is presenting on EIX (switch) Wishlist
12:24 < Pels> the scribe spelled my name wrong :'(
12:24 < Susannah_RIPENCC> :(]
12:27 < tmenari-34670> Pels: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palantype
12:27 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Questions for Harald?
12:27 < tmenari-34670> e.g. Occasional mondegreen errors may be seen in closed-captions when the computer software fails to distinguish where a word break occurs in the syllable stream. For example, a news report of a "grand parade" might be captioned as a "grandpa raid". Mondegreens in this context arise from the need for captions to keep up with the fast pace of live television broadcasts.
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12:28 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Bijal giving the Euro IX update
12:28 < Susannah_RIPENCC> *is*
12:28 < Pels> tmenari-34670: :)
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12:33 < Susannah_RIPENCC> questions for Bijal?
12:33 < BSS27-RIPE> no time
12:33 < Susannah_RIPENCC> :/
12:34 < Susannah_RIPENCC> oh lots of growling stomachs
12:34 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Eric from Ams-ix is talkiong
12:34 < Susannah_RIPENCC> *talking*
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12:38 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Chair has said no time for questions
12:38 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Jennifer from Linx talking now
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12:40 < Susannah_RIPENCC> Tomoya Yoshida from JPNAP is presenting
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12:41 < RobL-LON_> interestinggg.
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12:43 < Susannah_RIPENCC> A rep from the Ljubljana exchange is talking
12:43 < Susannah_RIPENCC> And the session is closed
12:43 < eric-AS1200> Lunch !
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12:44 < Susannah_RIPENCC> See you all at 14:00